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 ~NW Okie regarding Okie's story from Vol. 8 Iss. 38 titled UNTITLED

I have not heard of a five-legged animal at the dunes, but maybe some of your memories will jog some other memories out there. Thanks for sharing your memories with us.
 ~NW Okie regarding Okie's story from Vol. 9 Iss. 39 titled UNTITLED

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Spring Ahead - Loose An Hour

I hope you all remembered to set your clocks ahead an hour before you went to bed last night? I didn't!

It is again that time of year when we loose an hour and Spring ahead. Yup! It's Daylight Savings Time for many of us, except for those residing in ... Arizona?!

I don't know about you, but this aging NW Okie hates loosing a precious hour of life each Spring. AND... for what? Maybe I'll move West to Arizona. Just Joking!
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Thanks For the Memories

We have received some interesting memories of growing up in Oklahoma this week. As you read through the Mailbag section, you will find a sample of a five hour Eighth Grade Exam that students took in 1895. Is it for real?

SW Colorado Mountain Snow Slide... We heard from the mountain folks last weekend concerning the snow that had built upon their roof this Winter. It seems the snow finally fill off the north roof of the rec room and slid en masse down to the wood room roof and hung there forever, blocking out the light and the view, until it finally slid enough to break off, making a hell of a racket but finally letting in light and giving a view out the north window of the rec room.

Sunset? Forest Fire? Wolf Creek, CO... Another SW Colorado Lady caught this snapshot of a sunset over Wolf Creek Pass that looked an awfully lot like a forest fire.

Oklahoma's Winter Storm Warning... If you were in Oklahoma this week, especially southern Oklahoma, you might have experienced a late Winter Storm of 3 to 4 inches or more of snow gathering on the ground. BUT... Alas! It didn't last long!

This last week, especially, Wednesday and Thursday, March 5 & 6, 2008, reminded Oklahoman's that Winter weather was still out there. This was one of the many winter weather message from the National weather service, in Norman, OK, 11:53 a.m. CST.

We hear that around Denton or Dallas, Texas got up to 9 inches of snow. You call that snow! How did it affect your neck of the woods in Oklahoma this last week?

Rock Cairn's of Oklahoma... Check out the Mailbag section for memories of the Rock Cairn west of Alva, Oklahoma that once stood to mark a spring nearby. Has anyone out there heard of a "Rock Cairn" called "Indian water sign" because of a good spring nearby?
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Human Statue of Liberty - 1918, Iowa

I received this 1918 photograph of a Human Statue of Liberty in my email inbox this week, but have misplaced who sent it to me. Here is what I found out about this TRUE Event.

As the web site of the Iowa National Guard explains, the displayed photograph of a "human Statue of Liberty," formed by 18,000 posed soldiers, was taken in July, 1918 at Camp Dodge, Iowa, as part of a planned promotional campaign to sell war bonds during WWI:

    "On a stifling July day in 1918, 18,000 officers and soldiers posed as Lady Liberty on the parade [drill] grounds at Camp Dodge. [this area was west of Baker St. and is currently the area around building S34 and to the west.] According to a July 3, 1986, story in the Fort Dodge Messenger, many men fainted -- they were dressed in woolen uniforms -- as the temperature neared 105 degrees F. The photo, taken from the top of a specially constructed tower by a Chicago photography studio, Mole & Thomas, was intended to help promote the sale of war bonds but was never used."
You can read more about this TRUE 1918 Human Statue of Liberty over at Snopes Urban Legends - Human Statue of Liberty:
    "The design for the living picture was laid out at the drill ground at Camp Dodge, situated in the beautiful valley of the Des Moines River. Thousands of yards of white tape were fastened to the ground and formed the outlines on which 18,000 officers and men marched to their respective positions ..... From the position nearest the camera occupied by colonel Newman and his staff, to the last man at the top of the torch as platted on the ground was 1,235 feet, or approximately a quarter of a mile....."
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COMING SOON: Dacoma School Reunion

The Dacoma School Reunion will be held this year March 22, 2008, at the Dacoma School Gymnasium. Registration and visitation begins at 4:00 p.m., with a catered dinner beginning at 6:30. Cost is $12 per person.

Honored classes will include 1927-1928 (80 years); 1937-1937 (70 years); 1947-1948 (60 years) and 1957-1958 (50 years).

RSVP to Jewel LeDou (580.327.5520 or email: Max McDermott is the president; Newton Baker is vice president; Karen Sharp is treasurer.

RSVP deadline is March 15th, but a phone call or email on the 16th may be sufficient.
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Olive, OK

According to Oklahoma Place Names by George Shirk, Olive, Oklahoma was located in Creek County, 6 miles northeast of Drumright. A post office from November 20, 1896, to September 30, 1938 was established. Townsite originally platted as Mount Olive, the name having been taken from the bible. View/Write Comments (count 0)   |   Receive updates (0 subscribers)  |   Unsubscribe

Eighth Grade Exam - FALSE

Is it REAL?

This is supposedly an eighth-grade final exam from Salina, Kansas, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society & Library in Salina, Kansas, and reprinted by the Salina Journal. Is it REAL?

GRAMMAR (TIME: one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of "lie," "play," and "run."
5. Define case; illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10... Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

ARITHMETIC (TIME: 1 hour 15 minutes)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. Deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. Wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3,942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1,050 lbs. For tare?
4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6,720 lbs. Coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. Long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt

U.S. HISTORY (TIME: 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles attles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton , Bell , Lincoln , Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.

Orthography (TIME: one hour) (Do we even know what this is?)
1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?)
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis-mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane , vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

GEOGRAPHY (TIME: one hour)
1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia , Odessa , Denver , Manitoba , Hecla , Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.

Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete. Gives the saying "he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?! Also shows you how poor our education system has become! and, NO! I don't have the answers!" -- Ellis R.
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Sunset? Forest Fire? Wolf Creek, CO

I am attaching a photo that I took over Wolf Creek, Colorado after the last big snow storm and it looks like a forest fire. That was a sunset but it looked just like a forest fire. " -- Ann

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Growing Up In Oklahoma, Wisconsin/Indiana

We are in the process of taking down Kenneth Updike's stories and ramblings of "Growing Up In Oklahoma" because Kenneth asked us, "To remove all of my previous writings to you about my Ramblins. Personal stories that I told you and your readers. My Son has had all of my writings, and notes copyrighted so that we can put them in a book or booklet. His idea. I really have no objections to this, but he insists we can be viewed by more people. I leave it up to him. Thanks for your help in the past, and I still read your Okie Legacy nearly every week."

If you find some of Kenneth's Ramblings that I have missed, Please email me the link with Vol. and Iss. numbers so that this NW Okie can remove them. Thanks for your help!
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EMF Touring Car - Alva, OK

"If you will go to this link you will see, in the photo section, a panorama of EMF cars taken in Alva around 1910. It is very likely your EMF car is also in the other picture. The panorama was sent to the EMF web site by Bud Martin, who lives west of Alva.

The EMF dealership was located in the building where Arlo Collie's service station is, one block south of the square on 5th street." -- Jim Richey - OkieLegacy Comment
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NW Oklahoma Treasures

"I continue to find this site a treasure of NW Oklahoma information. Just popped in due to the Alva Restroom. I have an interest in the pre-statehood development of this area. Recently, I purchased a book by Geo. Rainey of Enid, wherein he writes of the area. I will endeavor to pass along some parts of it as I read the book. Cheers!" -- Jim Bradley - Email:
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Lester Raymer's Linocuts of Alva

"I have an original Lester Raymer painting I bought from him in Lindsborg years ago......would love to hear from you off-line." -- Rosalea Hostetler - Email:
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Red Barn Studio & Raymer Society

Everything is in a book that I got from the Raymer Society or Red Barn Studio in Lindsborg, Kansas. The print of the Woods Co Court House is not from the book. Also I was looking on a web called penny postcards from Oklahoma and in the Woods Co part I found 4 prints: #1 SCIENCE HALL STATE NORMAL SCHOOL ALVA, #2 NORTHWESTERN STATE NORMAL SCHOOL ALVA 1909, #3 ST NICHOLAS HOTEL ALVA (LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE CALLED GILBERT FISHERS APTS 1-1/2 blocks North of the Square on College Avenue), #4 WAYNOKA HIGH SCHOOL. The web for the postcards is ROOTSWEB.COM - USGENWEB - penny postcards project (Woods Co.).
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Return of the NW Oklahoma Cardinal

Robert L. Wagner compiled this video & music of a cardinal that frequents his backyard every year in northwest Oklahoma around this time of year.
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Rock Cairn West of Alva

"My Grandad told me about what I assume was another rock cairn west of Alva. He called it an "Indian water sign" as there was a good spring nearby. This was on the Ralph Smith farm 14 west and approximately 1 mile north and 1/2 west of Alva. Grandad said the marker was there in the "early day" but then fell down. He said on a clear day it was visible from the top of the hill going west out of Alva." -- "Edward Lyon - Email: - Okielegacy Comment
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Woods County Courthouse Memory

"The Jail in the basement of the Woods County Courthouse was a favorite spot of mine too. When I carried the Alva Review Courier Square Route I visited it most every day to use the "facilities" and read the latest racy sayings printed on the walls. I asked a prisoner once what he was in there for? He casually replied, "I pushed an old ladies ducks off into the pond"." -- Bill Barker - Email: - OkieLegacy Comment
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Alva Square Memories

"The Alva square was home to me for many years. Eating hamburgers in Snyder's Cigar Store was a routine of mine from 1949 until 1955. My folks owned the grocery store next door to Snyder's so it was convenient. The four theaters and the courthouse park were my entertainment.

Like Bob, my uncle, who was the county sheriff, had an office in the courthouse and I took great pride in introducing my friends to him, he always provided a good show. He'd tell stories about bad guys and show us his pistols, after they were unloaded of course.

I earned my weekend movie and popcorn money working for my parents stocking shelves and delivering groceries to people that rented apartments around the square. Most buildings had either office accomodations or single family apartments on the second floor.

Wiebener's Food Market (formerly the L.A. Wagner grocery store, my grandfather) took grocery orders over the phone. An employee would box or bag the order and deliver them in my dad's Jeep. If they were small orders from apartment dwellers I would take the groceries myself. I remember one such customer, a woman with a daughter about my age, who lived above a pool hall across the street north of where the police station is now. I noticed that for some reason we were not delivering groceries to the woman any longer and I asked one of dad's employees what had happened to her. His answer was that she was asked to leave town because of what she did for a living. That went right over my eight year old head.

Then there was the time I was skating on the frozen fish pond around the base of the fountain in the courthouse park, showing off for Vicki Turner, and fell in. What boys will do to impress the girls. I have great memories of that park, and it is sad to drive by it now and see no one there." -- Marvin Wiebener
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Nina Hope Annis Guffey - 1921-2008 Obit

"Hope Guffey, 86, a former Oklahoma City educator died in Tulsa on Saturday, March 1, 2008.

She was married 60 years to Chan Guffey, founder of Guffey's Executive Journal, until his death, December 29, 2007.

She was born, Nina Hope Annis, near Freedom, Oklahoma on May 28, 1921, the oldest child of George and Ethel Annis. She was preceded in death by her parents and brother Jack Moreland Annis of Woodward, OK.

Hope attended Selman High School and graduated with a B.A. in English from Northwestern State University in Alva, OK in 1943. While there, she was named Ranger Queen and known as an accomplished vocal soloist who sang with the college choir and a popular female trio.

She began her teaching career in Wilmore, Kansas and then taught high school English in Woodward, OK. It was there that her portrait in a local photographer's window caught the eye of the new hometown newspaper editor, Chan Guffey, who arranged a date for coffee and four months later married Hope on Valentine's Day 1947.

As newlyweds, the couple narrowly escaped the widespread devastation of the April 1947 Woodward tornado which destroyed their second story apartment. Hope helped in the relief effort following the deadly storm by identifying those killed including many of her students and their family members.

It was Chan Guffey's reporting of that tragic event that earned him a job with The Daily Oklahoman and brought the couple to Oklahoma City. In 1954, as a young wife and mother, Hope Guffey won the title of "Mrs. Oklahoma".

She returned to teaching speech and drama at Harding High School throughout the 1960's. In 1970, she earned a Master's of Education from Central State University in Edmond, OK and became a guidance counselor at Putnam City High School, retiring in 1985.

As a lifelong Christian, Hope was a member of the Mayfair Church of Christ in Oklahoma City. She enjoyed singing, cooking, sewing, writing children's short stories and refurbishing antique furniture. She was also a talented artist who worked in pen and ink, oils and watercolor. She loved giving gifts and lived her life in service to her family and friends.

Survivors include brother, Max Annis, Austin, Texas. 3 children: son, Rand Guffey, Redding, CT, daughters, Annis Kernan, Broken Arrow, OK, and Kim Guffey, Oklahoma City. 4 grandsons, Army JAG Captain Andrew Kernan serving in Iraq, Eric Kernan, Oklahoma City, Marine Lance Corporal Ryan Kernan serving in South Korea, John Guffey, Arizona University sophomore. 3 granddaughters, Megan Kernan Jewell, Broken Arrow, OK, Lea Kernan, Oklahoma University senior, Kyle Guffey, Redding, CT and 3 greatgrandchildren, Tanner Kernan, Lily Kernan and Ryleigh Jewell.

Funeral services were held at 11:00 AM, Friday, March 7, 2008, at the Mercer Adams Funeral Home Chapel in Bethany, OK., with Interment at Rose Hill Burial Park in Oklahoma City, under the direction of Mercer Adams Funeral Home." -- N. Talkington
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L. A. Wagner Cash Grocery - Alva, OK

"I believe that the last owners of the grocery store was Paul and Veva Wiebner. We shopped there 1948 thru early 1950s." -- Marthesia (Marty) Myers - Okielegacy comment

"My father, Paul Wiebener, returned home from WWII in 1946. He and my mother (Veva) bought the store from mother's dad, L.A. Wagner, and operated it until 1955. It was about that time some of the larger grocery chains entered the Alva market, making it difficult for mom and pop stores to compete. My dad had an acquaintance operating a grocery store in Aspen, Colorado and he invited our family to move there and manage the store. We did, but were back in Alva in little over a year. We were flat-landers not mountain people, and although we had a great time and I have lots of memories, Alva was our home." -- Marvin Wiebener - Email: - OkieLegacy Comment
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Snow In Oklahoma

March 7, 2008 ... "I'm certainly glad that those weather folks had predicted that it's supposed to start warming up again because (as usual) they missed it! It's just now beginning to snow again!" -- Roy K.
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1895 - Glive or Olive School Students

Is this picture real? It was sent to the OkieLegacy, but I couldn't make out if it was "Glive" or "Olive." It states that it is "1895." Is this in Oklahoma Territory or Kansas? Can anyone out there help with this identification? Thanks!
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