Giving Thanks & Genealogy Info

As a dry, cold front settled through Southwest Colorado by mid-week we encountered gas prices falling below the $2 mark in Durango, Colorado.

Also... Nugget, Quoti and Maggie were caught on film this week with friends at Clark's West Ranch in Northwest Oklahoma.

Meanwhile, NW Okie has been busy updating and moving her genealogy database to a new site. We deleted our Gencircles.com genealogy database.

NOW... Our Paris-Conover-Hurt (Geneanet.org) can be found at these two links - myheritage.com (Paris Family Site).

When you click the MyHeritage site link you will be able to pick between the "Paris-Conover-Hurt" pages and the McGill-Warwick-Gwin-Hull & Wagner-Williams-Zimmerman .

I also received this week some Louthan family history and information from Tom Fetters in Illinois. I haven't got it all transcribed yet, but I am still working on merging that information into my maternal genealogy data for the Paris/Conover/Hurt family file.

There are two different genealogy sites we are trying out, the MyHeritage site, which allows photos and comments, and the Geneanet.org site which has the traditionally, indented family tree form -- which makes for easier viewing and navigating.

See what you think and let me know which one you like the best. If you have a genealogy site that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to use, we would love to hear from you.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING is just around the corner. Take a few moments and reflect on things around you, and for what you are thankful for this year.
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Louthan Family Immigration

According to information sent to me by Thomas Fetters of Illinois, the roots of the Louthan family lie Somehwere in Scotland according to stories handed down over the ages. One story relates that there were three brothers that came from Scotland about 1737 and landed at New York. One of the brothers remained in New York while the second moved to Frederick County, Virginia. The third brother was unknown to the storyteller.

Best known of these Louthan immigrants would be Henry Louthan. Born in Scotland in 1719, he arrived in Frederick County, Virginia (British North America) in 1737 at the age of 18. henry and his first wife had four children who went separate ways into Pennsylvania. Remarrying, Henry and his second wife, Nancy, had seven children which began the family that is so well known today.

There is an alternative story that tells of Henry marrying an Irish girl, Mary, in Scotland. They had four children, including Moses Louthan, before she died. Henry brought the four children to America with him in 1750 and later married a Virginia girl, Nancy, who bore nine or ten children. This story is from several biographies of Moses Louthan that were printed in Pennsylvania at the turn of the century in several county histories. (Some of these publications are notoriously unreliable.)

The second brother appears to have been William Louthan who stayed, at least initially, in the New York area. He appears to be the father of Margaret Losther, who married Governor Jon Pge of Virginia and who has demonstrable connections to Henry Louthan's family. William is certainly the father of William Lowthen (1743-1814) who married a Sudna Hughes.

The third brother appears to be John Louthan, or Lowther, of Botecourt County, in Vifginia. At a court hearing held for Botecourt County on November 15th of 1775, we find this record: "Ordered that the Church wardens do bind Jas. Lowther, orphan of John Lowther, dec'd, to Hugh Weir, blacksmith, accdg. to law." James Lowther seems to have been born about 1761 and would have been a minor of 14. he married a girl named Francis, and lived in Frederick County, Virginia according to the 1790 census. James later died about 1820.

While there are some minor inconsistencies, this association fits well with the facts as known and the family stories handed down over the years. -- info submitted to NW Okie by Thomas Fetters, Nov 22 2008.
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NW Okie's Warwick Connection

This is an early picture of my great great grandfather, Wm Fechtig Warwick, as a young boy.


Some have asked how I am connected to the Warwick Family. You can click on the following link to view my McGill-Warwick-Gwin-Hull genealogy.

From the Wm Jacob Warwick & Elizabeth Dunlap lineage my Warwick's flow down through the Warwick family through John Warwick & Mary Powell.

From that union we continue further through William Warwick & Nancy Agnes Craig. From there we continue our Warwick journey through Robert Craig Warwick & Esther Hull. Robert & Esther's son, Wm. Fechtig Warwick married Phoebe Anthea Pray/Prey (my great-great-grandparents).

Wm & Phoebe had a son, John Robert Warwick that married Signora Belle Gwin. My great grandparents John Robert "JR" & Signora Belle "Sigga" (Gwin) Warwick had three children: Constance Estella, Robert Lee and Wilbur (Wilbur died at 1 year of age. in Alva, M county, Oklahoma Territory).

My grandmother, Constance Estella Warwick, married my grandfather, William Jacob McGill, in Alva, Oklahoma, in March, 1910. Their two sons were: Gene M. McGill & Robert Lee McGill. My father, Gene M. McGill, married Vada Paris and had four daughters: Connie, Dorthy, Linda & Amber. I am the third daughter of that union. My great grandparents, JR & Sigga Warwick, grandmother Constance Warwick McGill (in the middle, front), my father as a young boy sitting down front next to Sigga Warwick (on right) and my Uncle Bob McGill semi-hidden behind Gene are pictured in photo on the left.

Grandmother Constance is the lady in white and white hat of some sort on the front steps (in middle) of the Mountain Grove, Virginia homestead.
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Oklahoma Gas Prices Below $2

16 Nov 2008 -- "Actually, gasoline dropped another penny (to $1.78.9) and in church this morning, my 'bass' voice could still be heard trying to sing the tenor lines. Later in the day, when our (additional) afternoon choir practice began, I had to sing an octave lower than usual! I was surprised that I could 'hit' notes that previously were much to low to sing even back when I sang bass! I'm hoping to recover enough of my singing voice to sound ''normal'' later this week." -- Roy
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Soldiers Christmas Card Idea

* Anita says... "I had heard of that Christmas card thing (address to no particular soldier) but learned that is a hoax and the cards will be returned to the sender."

* Dixie Lee from Tucson where gas is $2.15 today says... "The bit about sending a Christmas card to a “recovering soldier” is indeed not true. There are a couple of “takes” on it. Perhaps you’ll want to check these links: breakthechain.org (you’ll have to scroll down a bit to find the article) -- chrismas card to soldiers.

* Roy says... "Snopes says I gave the wrong address but that holiday cards are INDEED WELCOME! Cards should be sent to:
"Holiday Mail for Heroes; PO Box 5456; Capitol Heights, Md 20791-5456.

"All cards must be postmarked by Wednesday, December 10, 2008 and MUST BE SIGNED. Do NOT include email or return addresses, nor any inserts (including photos, etc.) and please, no more than 25 cards from any one person nor 50 from any class or group. The Red Cross hopes to distribute 1 million pieces of holiday mail through this program."

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William Wiley Guinn Request

"I love your Paristimes Pioneers Gwin/Guinn Coat of Arms webpage! Thank you for posting that information about the origin of the Guinn name! I'm sure you get MANY requests from family historians but am hoping you won't mind one more from our family. We are trying to find the names of the parents and ancestors of my husband's great-great-grandfather William Wiley Guinn. Here is the information about him:

* William Wiley Guinn was born on 25 Dec 1834 in either Mississippi or Alabama (probably Mississippi).

* He was married to Nancy Emily Dunlap (1837 TN - 1918 AR) in about 1865 in probably Marion Township, Drew County, Arkansas.

* He died on 4 Sep 1902, probably in Saline Township, Drew County, Arkansas.

* He and his wife are buried in Rough and Ready Cemetery in Monticello, Drew County, Arkansas (Rough & Ready Cemetery).

* His children were: Elminia/Emeline E. Guinn, John F.M. Guinn, James R.R. Guinn, Samuel L. Guinn, Susan B. Guinn, William Jefferson Guinn**, Alonzo N. Guinn.

** My husband descends through William Jefferson Guinn.

Thanks for any help or direction you might be able to give us! Also, thanks again for your family history webpages!" -- Kathryn in Virginia
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Reply: William Wiley Guinn

"You might want to consider looking under Quinn also. Even though you might be absolutely certain it's Guinn, back in the day people were not too particular about spelling or pronunciation and many never did learn to make a correct Q or G in cursive but ofter wrote them like small cursive letters but couldn't remember whether the downward loop curled back or forward." -- Marita Bolson
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Charles Wesley Paris Legacy

"I found this Paris mention thru Google Alerts about my great, great grandfather Peter Talkington of the 8th Iowa Cav. Sue Trout may have more information.

Loyal Citizen, Aug. 17, 1864, 3rd Iowa Cav., Paris Family

The Loyal Citizen, Centerville, Appanoose Co., Iowa, Wed., Aug. 17, 1864

The Brave are Generous
"Charles Wesley Paris, a citizen of Davis County, formerly a member of Company I, 3rd Iowa Cavalry, was severely wounded at Arkansas Swamp. He received a shot in one eye which blinded it entirely at the time, and so injured the other that he has become totally blind. The world has become to him a sealed book.

The hand of a little daughter, whose sweet smile he is never more to see, guides his feet along his darkened pathway. He feels the warm sunshine on his cheek, but sees not its beauty. He can inhale the fragrance of the flowers and hear the song of birds; but the foliage of the flower, and the plumage of the songster have been shut out from his darkened vision forever. How sad the thought. He is a brave man, in the prime of life; his heart beats warm for his country, and he sighs to strike again for her "alters and her fires."

"Mr. Paris visited the veterans of the 3rd Iowa Cavalry while they were at Keokuk [Iowa]. Their hearts welled with the tenderest emotions, as they grasped the hand of their blind comrade who had borne the shock of battle beside them. A contribution of One Hundred and Sixty-five dollars was raised in a short time for his benefit by the Regiment. He received it thankfully, and will ever cherish the name of the brave men who remembered him in his affliction.

"The father of this blind soldier fought through the war of 1812. Jackson Paris, a brother of Charles W. Paris, bears the scars of eight wounds received in the war with Mexico; Green Paris participated in the Indian war of California; Stephen Paris, another brother, died a member of the 3rd Iowa Cavalry at Helena [Arkansas]; Morgan Paris now belongs to the same Regiment, and William H. Paris, a nephew, is a member of the 2d Ill. Cavalry. They are truly a fighting family. Mr. Paris can never look upon the flag of his Country again; but may he live long after the last armed foe of his country has paid the penalty of his treason.

"[Charles W. Paris, Co. I, 3rd Iowa Cavalry, was born in Missouri and was living in Unionville, Iowa, when he enlisted at 23 on August 20, 1861 and mustered Sept. 6, 1861. No date is given for his wounding, and the resultant loss of his left eye. He was discharged May 7, 1863, at Keokuk.

"The 3rd Iowa Cavalry was active during this period, and Charles Paris might have been wounded in one of the encounters with the enemy. On April 4, 1863, the 3rd Iowa Cavalry fought rebel forces near Madison, Arkansas [no casualties listed]. On April 21 [no casualties listed] and April 27 [no Co. I casualties listed], detachments of the 3rd Iowa skirmished with Confederate scouts. On May 1st the regiment was more heavily engaged near La Grange. Company I suffered casualties in this engagement, as did Companies A, D and K, and it's possible that on this date Charles Paris was wounded.

"Morgan W. Paris, Co. I, 3rd Iowa Cavalry, was born in Missouri and living in Drakesville, Davis Co., Iowa, when he enlisted at 37 on Feb. 21, 1864, mustering March 16th. He mustered out Aug. 9, 1865, at Atlanta, GA.

"Stephen J. Paris, Co. I, 3rd Iowa Cavalry, was born in Missouri and living in Unionville, Appanoose Co., Iowa, when he enlisted as Second Sergeant on August 20, 1861, with his brother Charles, mustering Sept. 6, 1861. Stephen was 21. He died of disease Sept. 18, 1862, at Helena, Arkansas.

Davis and Appanoose Counties are next to each other on the extreme southern border of Iowa.]

"Source of Roster information: "Roster and Records of Iowa Troops in the Rebellion, Vols. 1-6." Civil War and Iowa: Greyhounds and Hawkeyes. CD-ROM. Creston, IA: O. J. Fargo, 2000." -- Sue Trout Reisdorph & submitted by Dale T.
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1911 Photo - John Cope Louthan

"Enjoy your work very much , last issue had some articles about John Cope Louthan He was My Great Grandfather. The picture was taken about 1911 was of him and my mother Verna Hamilton and Clarence Hamilton on his lap. My grandmother was Sarah Louthan the oldest of his second family. Keep up the good work." -- Willis Bowers


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100 Years Ago

"THE YEAR 1908... This will boggle your mind, I know it did mine! The year is 1908. One hundred years ago. What a difference a century makes! Here are some statistics for the Year 1908:

* The average life expectancy was 47 years.
* Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.
* Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.
* There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles Of paved roads.
* The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.
* The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower!
* The average wage in 1908 was 22 cents per hour.
* The average worker made between $200 and $400 per year.
* A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, A dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.
* More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.

Ninety percent of all doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION! Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which Were condemned in the press AND the government as 'substandard.

* Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.

* Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.

* Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from Entering into their country for any reason.

* Five leading causes of death were:
1. Pneumonia and influenza
2. Tuberculosis
3. Diarrhea
4. Heart disease
5. Stroke

* The American flag had 45 stars. The population of Las Vegas, Nevada, was only 30! Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and ice tea Hadn't been invented yet. There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day. Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school.

* Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said, 'Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind,regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health.' ( Shocking? DUH! )

* Eighteen percent of households had at least One full-time servant or domestic help. There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE ! U.S.A. !" -- Info submitted by Homer
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The Louthan Pages

"I have run a copy of Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 and much of Chapter 12 whicih directly covers your family. I will mail it in the morning.

You will see gaps as we near the present time, so I would like to get information on the individuals you may know that do not show on the pages.

I use only the year as that eliminates duplication without getting into month and day. This is a very fast format for finding folks as you only have parents and children on any given page and with the generation number, you always know where you are at in the search." -- Tom Fetters
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Paris, Hurt & Louthan Info

"I am a Louthan, desending from Robert Hiram and Belle Cokerham. I have done some research on the Louthan family you mentioned. It would appear that you are right on the money. John Cope had a third son with his 1st wife, Jane Haddow. Son's name was Edwin (Eddie)." -- Cindy (Louthan) Powell - OkieLegacy Comment
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Clebit, Dierks Lumber Co & SE Corner Oklahoma

"Well, I've been to Clebit, Oklahoma and really enjoyed getting there through the mountains. It sits about halfway between Pickens and Cloudy, and has some terrific scenery. My first name is the same, although I wasn't named for the town. Seems my Daddy just made up my name." -- Clebit E. Davis -
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Samuel Wood Hull & Mary Louisa Frost

"Looking for additional information or sources for:

Samuel Wood Hull -- (12 apr 1803, New York? - 20 May 1820 Northfield, Rice Co, MN) Said to be related to: Richard Hull, came in 1634, and was a founder of New Haven, Conn. And of Yale University and was also a member of the General Courts. The earliest crcord of the Hull family we can find is that Henry Hull, in the eighth century gave the land at Cambridge, England for St. Johns Hospital, which was afterwards turned into St. Johns College.

Mary Louisa Frost -- (20 Sep 1808, New York ? 2 Sep 1884) Said to be related to: Elder Edmund Frost, came from England in 1635, to Cambridge, Mass. He helped plan Harvard College in 1637 and helped found it in 1639 and was one of its first governors. He gave all he could to Harvard and he with his wife is buried just outside the Harvard gate. His church is gone but the cemetery is still there. Thank you in advance." -- Sue Fitz
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MAGILL - Goldie Irene (Wisdom) Magill

Message Board Post: Looking for information or obit for Goldie Irene Wisdom b. 6-29-1915 Missouri, d. 9-26-1992 Puxico, Stoddard Co., Missouri, m. Howard Edward Magill b. 7-26-1905 Hendrickson, Missouri, d. 6-13-1996 Puxico, Stoddard Co., Missouri."
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Warwick Family

"My name is Bryan Hayes. I believe we may have some of the same relations to the Warwick Family.

I stumbled across your website in my research and figured I would contact you. I am a direct descendant of Jacob Warwick and his wife Mary Vance. The Jacob Warwick that is the son of Lieut. William Warwick and his Wife Elizabeth Dunlap (Dunlop).

My mother, Cynthia Moutz, is the daughter of Jerry Moutz, son of Celcil Moutz, son of Bernard Mouse who married Mary Isabelle Crouch, daughter of Mary Jane See who was married to John Marshall Crouch. Mary J. See, daughter of Gearge See and Mary Jane Polly See. George See is the son of Adam See and Margaret Warwick. Margaret Warwick daughter of Jacob Warwick and Mary Vance." -- Bryan Hayes
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WWII - 362nd Group & P-47 Video

362nd Group, Army Air Corps, based in Etaine, France, 377th Squadron's combat Pilots flying P-47 Thunderbolts.

On March 16th, 1945, the 362nd Fighter Group dispatched a total of 175 P-47 Thunderbolt fighters against enemy transportation, associated facilities and ground artillery. Attacking viciously against intense and accurate anti-aircraft fire, the Group destroyed or damaged 420 military transports, Seven armored vehicles, locomotives, gun emplacements, road and railway installations. Although close air support was the Group's primary function, they managed to shoot down 137 German aircraft at the cost of 97 of their own pilots.

embedded film was dedicated to the P-47 pilots and ground crew who fought and died in Europe during the Second World War." -- video submitted by Homer
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Searching For Greenbrier College for Women Alumnae

"A Greenbrier Alumnae happened on this site. I am so glad. My name is Diane (Plasman) Willis. I am President of the Alumnae Association and I am looking for Greenbrier Alumane that attended Greenbrier College. Currently we have 800 in our Alumnae directory.

Martha Dean Bell, I did not know your Mom. I graduated in '63. But, I do have the year books from her years. I have seen her brick. Who was your Dad's younger sister? Please keep in touch. Thanks." -- Diane Willis - Email: bdwilis32@aol.com - OkieLegacy Comment
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Jadie Survives the Move

"Just wanted to let the daughter know that she has brothers and sisters due to riding in the back of the truck to her new home. The births were quite painful and resulted in much breakage but as you can see from the pictures, all are doing well and are in "blooming" health." -- Ann
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Henry & Nancy Louthan's Children

Of the known children of Henry Louthan, all are apparently from his second wife, Nancy. The oldest of these is Moses Louthan. Stories exist to support his birth by either Mary in Scotland, or by Nancy in Virginia depending on the family group of descendants. Moses' marriage is also a matter of contention.

Did Moses remain in Virginia until 1798 and marry Elizabeth Gorrell there, or did he leave Virginia during the Revolution and marry her later in 1778 in Pennsylvania where her family was prominent?

There is little doubt that after 1798, Moses Louthan became one of the leading pioneers of Beaver County, northwest of Pittsburgh. here he helped to found the Salem Presbyterian Church in Darlington, five miles east of the Ohio state line. This church is not the Reform Presbyterian Church.

Moses also held public office, acquired a large real estate holding, and was an outstanding leader according to several county histories of the late nineteenth century. Moses' children are discussed in Chapter 12 (of the book that this information was copied). Moses was born in 1749 and died in Beaver County in 1829 at 80.

John Louthan (Louthain) was born about 1750. He left the family farm and traveled south along the Shenandoah River and then crossed over into the land of the "Western Waters," those lands drained by the Ohio and eventually the Mississippi. John settled near the New River, a tributary of the Kanawah River that flows north to the Ohio River. Here he purchased 45 acres on the Macks Run in August of 1783 and then added 380 adjoining in 1790 on the south side of the New River in what is now Pulaski County, VA. John married a girl named Elizabeth and the couple sold the Macks Creek property in September of 1791 and then in 1794 bought 117 and 300 acres in two parcels at the headwaters of Falling Spring and still another 400 acres on "Neck Creek of Back Creek," another branch of the New River. Their neighbors were John and Margaret Shell, and John and Kiziah Cecil. The children of these families were to intermarry over the following years.

In 1797, John and Elizabeth sold the 300 acres parcel, and two years later, sold 100 acres of the 400 acre parcel to their son, John. The couple's remaining 417 acres were sold on May 5, 1812 and they departed for Ohio.

The records of this branch of the family are difficult to obtain as the spellings in this rural area very phonetically. The family is recorded as Lowthain, Louthain, Lowder, Lowther, and Louder as well as with the "L" replaced with the similar script "S" to give Sowder and the Souder.

John Louther served with Captain Edwards Company of Militia and appears in the List of Men who served which id dated march 24, 1781.

John's will, written in 1813, was apparently prepared shortly before his death in Ohio. Most likely the family had traveled down the New Nd Kanawha Rivers to the Ohio and down that river to Cincinnati. The government had established a land office there and on August 19, 1812, John Louthain purchased 158.62 acres of public lands in Section 4, Township 2, Range 10 of Miami county taking the Southeast quarter. The land sold for $317.24 and John paid $173.31 down. Just eight months later, after completing a cabin and stocking his new farm, John Louthain died.

Thomas Cecil had married Milly Louthain and John Louthain, Jr. had married Betsey Cecil in 1815 and 1795 respectively. James Shell had married Tabitha Louthain in 1810; Polly Shell married George Louthain in 1808 and Christian Shell married Grissy Louthain in 1815.

Margaret Shell, the mother of these Shell children, had been widowed. She left for Miami County, Ohio in 1816 with her children: Christian; James; Elizabeth and her husband Jacob Mann; and Mary and her husband George Louthain. She and the children sold their interest in a 107 acres site in Montgomery County, Virginia which had been called "Reeling Spring" just before the move.

Henry Louthan (Jr) was born in 1764 and had the same red hair of his father. he enlisted in the Continental Army at 18 and witnessed the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown on October 19, 1781. Seven years later, he married a Scotch lass, Mary Henderson, on May 27, 1788.

An indenture prepared on September 14, 1791 is known which leased 150 acres in Frederick County to Henry Louthan and mentions his wife, Mary, and his son, John. Leased by Robert Wormsley Carter, Esq. of Sabine Hall in the County of Richmond, the property was tob e had for a yearly rental of four pounds and ten shillings in Spanish milled dollars or other gold or silver equivalent. The note was approved the next year and witnessed by William Kerfoot, among others. Henry and Mary had nine children

Henry died in 1811 and the widowed Mary Louthan lived with her daughter in Waynesville, Ohio in 1843. She had a stroke on May 1 and by the end of the month was reported to be helpless. A letter explains the death in detail.

Elizabeth Louthan married William G. Kerfoot (who witnessed Henry's note) and they had three children. -- info submitted to NW Okie by Thomas Fetters, of Illinois, on Nov 22 2008.
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