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July 20, 2002, Vol. IV, Iss. 29

Oakie's NW Corner...

I have got to say about this summer and July in northwest Oklahoma... the temps have been below normal for the first half July this time of year compared to last year. They have reported that only a couple of days have been in the hundreds for July. The other days have been in the high 90s. BUT... it is beginning to heat up in to the 100s the latter part of this week. So... Find a cool place to cool down and be safe.

Most of all this week I have spent in northwest Oklahoma getting reacquainted with my horses during the early morning dawn hours and late evening hours before dusk. Those hours have been in the 70s.

Last Week's Fauz Pas... A couple of readers did catch last week's little faux pas when I mentioned the 'pigeons' on Virginia beach. Did anyone else catch that blunder of this Midwestern flatlander's? Thanks to those who emailed me and corrected me that those were not pigeons... They were sea gulls on the seashore. A gold star to those who emailed me. Since then I have gone in and corrected this Midwestern flatlander's mistake. Yep! I do need to visit the seashore more often and educate myself on sea gulls and pigeons. Whoever heard of Jonathan Livingston Pigeon? <smiling>

Li'l Al July 18, 2002As to my horse updates... This is a sweet, innocent updated photo of my 2002 little colt, Li'l Al (a.k.a. Alazan). It was taken when I was out in the pasture during one of those comfortable evenings in northwest Oklahoma. Li'l Al's curiosity got the better of him as he is seen sniffing and exploring the carrot stick & savvy string. His mother was busy eating hay as usual. He did finally let me pet him with my savvy string and I did get close enough to let him sniff my out stretched hand and pet him around his ears and head.

Clark's Quarterhorses... They have some great looking colts this year and the past few years. If you know of someone looking for some great looking, friendly registered Quarterhorses, give them a holler at (580) 327-3529 or write Clark's Quarterhorses, P.O. Box 803, Alva, Oklahoma 73717. Check in to their two-year-olds and yearlings that will follow you around the corral and pasture -- looking for some apple treats and/or someone to to gentle stroke them all over.

Last but not least... I have got to tell you about the treasure that a northwest Oklahoma friend bought for 50-cents at an estate sell. It seems back in the 1930s a lady named Dolly started a scrapbook of wedding announcements that appeared in the local papers in and around that area. It goes from 1933 thru 1945. That scrapbook is the treasure that my friend bought for 50-cents. She let me borrow it so I could transcribe some of those wedding treasures for The Okie Legacy. I will stick a few of those announcements in the Mailbag & Link Corner.

There are about lots of delicate pages to scan and transcribe. It will keep me busy for awhile. It does have some great genealogy information. So stay-tuned for more northwest Oklahoma weddings during 1933 thru 1945.

Have a great weekend and keep cool. See you next weekend.

~~ Linda "oaKie" ~~


NW Mystery Corner...

Our Old Opera House Murder of November 1910 continues with the cross-examination of Dr. Elizabeth Grantham.

Dr. Elizabeth Grantham, a graduate of regular school of medicine, Olapathic, was one of the expert witnesses for the State, concerning the Old Opera House Murder, 9 November 1910. Most of this testimony is from the cross-examination by Mr. Wilson, defense attorney for N. L. Miller. Grantham had no recollection of having a conversation with Jim S. White in regard to Mabel Oakes. Even with a refreshment of her mind, a short time after the murder, Dr. Grantham did not remember telling Jack White in the city of Alva, that this scarf was not tight enough around Mabel Oakes neck to choke anybody. Dr. Grantham did not remember a short time after 9 November 1910, about having a discussion with Elmer Drake that the scarf wasn't tight enough around Mabel Oakes neck to choke her or to choke anybody. Grantham says Elmer Drake asked her some questions in regard to it. But, she did not have any recollections of making any such statement as not being tight enough to choke anybody.

Mr. Wilson's asks Grantham, "Now suppose a person should fall and faint on the floor and a scarf drawn moderately tight around the neck, wouldn't it be likely that the neck would swell so as to become, so as to make the scarf tight enough to leave its imprint on the neck?"

Dr. Grantham replied, "I believe there would be very little circulation in the upper extremities. I don't believe there would be enough above the scarf to cause any great amount of swelling, the blood usually leaves the head in a faint."

To read more of Dr. Grantham's testimony Click Here.

Old Family Photos...

Click photo to see larger view of Gene & Bob McGill on paint horse (1925); Grandpa Bill McGill with his jalopy & young colt; and Grandpa Bill McGill with a young baby (Gene) hanging from a stick on jalopy.


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Soper-McGill Wedding
June 1, 1944

Helen Louise Soper

Wedding Announcement... Capt. Robert L. McGill, and his 1st-wife, Helen Louise Soper, 1 June 1944. Helen Louise Soper's parents were Dr. & Mrs. E. M. Soper of Enid, Oklahoma. The marriage was solemnized the first of June in home of the bride-elect's sister, Mrs. W. E. Hackett, Alva.

Miss Soper attended the Enid schools and was graduated from Enid High School. She was active in dramatics, appearing in several of the school's dramatic productions, and during her senior year was May Queen of Enid High School. She attended the University of Oklahoma where she was an art major. She also attended Hill's Business College, Oklahoma City, and Enid Business College. She was a member of Delta Theta Sorority and while at OU pledged Gamma Phi Beta Sorority. For the fifteen months before the wedding she had been employed at the Enid Army Air Field in the medical department.

Capt. McGill was graduated from Alva high school, Kemper Military Junior college, Boonville, Mo., and received his degree in business administration from the University of Kentucky. While at Kemper as a member of a small dance orchestra he was given a trip and toured Europe. He is a member of the Scabbard and Blade and Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity. Capt. McGill was a reserve officer and was called into the army as a second lieutenant four years ago. He has served sixteen months overseas and is now stationed at Fort Sam Houston, Texas. The couple made their home at Fort Sam Houston. Uncle Bob got to spend 5 months with Helen Soper-McGill until he was shipped overseas during war during WWII.

April 24, 1945, Germany - letter that Bob McGill wrote back to his wife, Helen, while he was overseas during WWII, near the Ruhr -- Click Here

April 19, 1945 Germany - Capt. RLMcGill, 75 Div HQ APO 451, %postmaster NYC. postmarked U.S. Army 451, Apr. 24, 1945. Addressed to his Helen, Mrs. Robert L. McGill, 1027 Maple St., Alva, Oklahoma. -- Click Here.


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Mailbag & Links Corner....

Old NW Oklahoma Wedding Announcements...

Alva Girl Is Married Saturday... Mrs. Ivy Alexander, daughter of Mr. & Mrs. R. I. DeGeer, and Howard Dunning united in marriage at 6 o'clock Saturday morning, at home of bride's parents, 613 1/2 Barnes (Alva).

Boyce Shaefer Wedding... Ruth Ida Boyce, daughter of Mrs. Faye O. Boyce, 705 5th Street, became the bride of Andrew A. Shaefer, son of Mr. & Mrs. Chris Schaefer, Alva - July 14, 1940

Morefield-Nicola Vows Taken Here Friday (1942)... Enid girl weds Alva man in quiet ceremony. Miss Lorene Morefield, daughter of Mr. & Mrs. Glen C. Morefield, 2104 West Randolph, to Stanley Nicola, son of Mrs. Lorena Nicola, Alva.

Shafer-Smith Wedding... Lillian Shafer, Alva, becomes bride of J. B. Smith, Alva.

Shafer-Haney Wedding... Ferguson, Missouri marked the marriage of Joyce Shafer of Ferguson, Mo., daughter of Mrs. Anton Shafer of Alva, to Byron E. Haney, also of Ferguson, Missouri, at 3:00P.M., May 31.

October, 1937 Wedding... Popular city couple is announced - Miss Cleo Patricia Bailey becomes bride of William E. Gruber in service at Chandler, Oklahoma.

Shafer-Reneau Wedding - 1937... Miss Joan Shafer Weds Raymond Reneau at Anthony, Wednesday - Marriage of especial interest to the people of Alva was that of Miss Joan Shafer, daughter of Mr & Mrs. Anton Shafer, to Mr. Raymond Reneau, of Los Angeles, Calif., which


Tom Dyer's Grand daughter... "Hi Linda, I was sent your newsletter online by a relative of mine. I really enjoy the issue (May, 2002 - Vol IV, Iss 21). I am Tom Dyer's grand-daughter and love early day history. Especially of NW Oklahoma. I'm not acquainted with Jenny White. I would like her e-mail address. I also would like to subscribe to your Okie Newsletter. Looking forward to hearing from you." -- Contact Joy

Midwestern Flatlander & Pigeons... "I've never been to Virginia Beach ... yowbut, that doesn't keep me from questioning whether the birds you photographed are really pigeons or whether they might be sea gulls. I'm thinking that maybe only a midwestern flatlander would call those birds 'pigeons'."

Requesting Info - German POW Camps, WWII... "I've been trying to get information on German POW Camps in Oklahoma during WW2. I am having poor luck at finding sources for this. I know there was one at Alva, and El Reno but am sure there must have been more. My dad helped construct the one at Alva prior to his shipping out to the Navy Construction Battalions otherwise known as the CB's. I have heard that the one at Alva was reserved for the hard core "Nazi" prisoners. I have talked to one person in Attica, Kansas, who was allowed to help build the POW camp at Alva but was not allowed to continue working there once the prisoners started coming in. His folks were German and he spoke German so they dismissed him. Mrs. Sanderson, my Dorm Mother at Shockley Hall, was a little girl at the time and she remembers them being taken off the trains and marched out to the camp south of town. Is there some site that would have a list of all the POW/Relocation Camps in the US? I am a third generation "Okie" and my Grandmother was one of the original homesteaders who settled in the Cherokee Strip. She lived to be a 103 and I was able to get a lot of history from her. Thanks for the help." -- Contact Dean Gerber

ICKE in England... "I am writing this in my England. It is interesting to see the ICKE family name so far from there original roots. Firstly, DENMARK and then on to, Newcastle in Northern England, and then I presume the 'Mary Rose' onto America." -- Contact John Icke
1st Parking Meters... "Thought you might get a giggle out of it, if you didn't already know this. So now all the city folk around the nation know who to blame for parking tickets, eh? Hey, we threw out all the local politicians that were responsible for parking meters downtown, and eventually they took down all the meters anyhoot, because most businesses had moved to the malls outside of town and had loads of free parking. It is sad, but there are hardly any stores downtown now at all, and those that are there are mostly very pricey jewelry stores, knick knack store, and exclusive clothing shops. No more Kresge's, Grants, Woolworths, or other five and dime stores in town at all, not even Sears or Wards, as they moved to the malls too, and Wards closed after several years out there too. Old folks in town who don't drive, have to bus it or rely on friends to take them to places now, and the busses are not all that handy any more either, used to be able to get one within a block of any house in the city years ago, and they ran about every half hour, so you never had to wait long for one. Now they have scattered pickup points and varied schedules. Oh my, I got off the subject again, sorry about that, but my mind is like a train without a engineer most of the time, just keeps running down the track till it hits a wall. Peace and love." -- Betty

Today In History - July 16... "Is there anything that will skew the rhythm of the day, anything that vexes, quite as much as a parking ticket? Correct Answer: No. Well it all started on this date in 1935. In Oklahoma City of all places, if you crave knowing the situs of such treachery. It was then and there that free street parking lost its hallowed status as the first automatic parking meter was installed. Henceforth, it cost a nickel - or more - to do what used to cost nada." -- c d kaplan, The Culture Maven

Sea Gulls & Sea Shore... "Hi Linda, Glad you had a good time in DC and Virginia Beach, VA. But really...... you should get to the sea shore more often and see the SEA GULLS. <grin> Take care." -- Vernon
Renfrew & Degeer... I've looked with interest at the pages in your website. My wife is a descendent of a family that made the run in 1893 from Kansas to Alva, OK, and settled there. I'd love to be added to your list of recipients. My wife is the great-grand daughter of Mary Eleanor Renfrew who married Lyman Winterstein DeGeer; Lyman made the run from Kansas in 1893, was a lawyer in Alva, and died in 1902. He is buried in the Old Fellows Cemetery. Mary Eleanor Renfrew was sister to James Philander Renfrew, a newspaper publisher in Alva. My wife is the grand-daughter of Mabel DeGeer Welles who taught school in the Alva area. Anyone with knowledge or information about the RENFREWS or DeGEERS are encouraged to drop me a line. Thanks." -- Contact Jerry
Zerelda Cole James Samuel, mother of Frank & Jesse James... "Just some tidbits of history. I found this interesting and hope you do to. If you have any interest at all in old gunfighters or just have a interest in history and people, you might find this interesting. I did - especially to find out the size of Mrs. James. Enjoy!" -- Karel (taken from The Daily Oklahoman, Feb. 11, 1911 - Mother of James Boys Passes Away)

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