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July 13, 2002, Vol. IV, Iss. 28

Oakie's NW Corner...

Virginia Beach PigeonsWhere do I begin? I have over hundred photos to share and will start loading some of those over to Oakie's Webshots for easier viewing as I get them worked up and downloaded onto my computer.

Meanwhile, let us begin with these two seagulls taking a stroll, flight along the waters edge of Virginia Beach. Not only seagulls, but humans could be seen digging their toes, heels and footprints into the sandy beaches of Virginia Beach.

Northend of Virginia Beach - Old LighthousesWhile we were there, we took a cruise from the southend of Virginia Beach to the north end where the old & new Lighthouses still stand -- where the first landing of the Jamestown settlers first embarked before heading further inland up the Chesapeake Bay and James River to a more protected place for their ships and settlement, May 14, 1607. The Virginia Company left England December, 1606 for a 4-1/2 month voyage to the new world.

Original settlers of Jamestown... The original 108 settlers landed May 14, 1607 at Jamestown. They are listed by occupation. Do any of these names sound familiar to your family lineage? Click the following links to check out more Census, Public Records and Virtual Jamestown.

     Councell -- Master Edward Maria Wingfield; Captaine Bartholomew Gosnol; Captaine John Smyth; Captaine John Ratliffe; Captaine John Martin; Captaine George Kendall/Matthew Scrivner.
     Gentlemen -- : Master George Percie; Anthony Gosnoll; Captaine Gabriell Archer ; Robert Ford; William Bruster; Dru Pickhouse; John Brookes; Thomas Sands; John Robinson; Ustis Clovill; Kellam Throgmorton ; Nathaniell Powell; Robert Behethland; Jeremy Alicock; Thomas Studley; Richard Crofts; Nicholas Houlgrave; Thomas Webbe; John Waler; William Tanker; Francis Snarsbrough; Edward Brookes; Richard Dixon; John Martin; George Martin; Anthony Gosnold; Thomas Wotton, Surgeon; Thomas Gore; Francis Midwinter.
     Carpenters -- William Laxon; Edward Pising; Thomas Emry; Robert Small; Anas Todkill; John Capper.
     James Read - Blacksmith; Jonas Profit - Sailer; Thomas Couper - Barber; Master Robert Hunt - Preacher;

Many of you know already that we spent the 4th of July celebrating in Washington, DC. We watched the DC Independence day parade that started around 11:45am at Constitution Ave. & 5th St. Most of the day was spent finding cool places on the mall, drinking tons of water and finishing off watching the Capitol Concert and fireworks from the Capitol steps.

We did step into the National Museum of American History, National Museum of Natural History, Museum of Women and the Silk Roads exhibits out on the Mall.

We experienced No heat strokes, but my feet were feeling flat, hot by the time we walked towards the Capitol building to find a seat to watch the Live, PBS Concert with Aretha Franklin, etc... They checked us all in through security points all around the Mall and Capitol. We were seated on the lower steps of the capitol building looking down Pennsylvania Ave. and watching the concert on the big screen cause we couldn't see the stage from our vantage point.

When the fireworks started around 9pm we moved over a bit and up to view the fireworks looking towards the Washington monument and Lincoln Memorial. Fantastic!!!

After the fireworks, we left the capitol building on foot again with the rest of the crowd -- walking towards the Union Station Metro line. What an experience! I was glad we had Michael along to guide us through it all! After reaching the Union Station Metro we took the Metro to Dupont Circle. Well! We made to Dupont Circle and our hotel (Jurys Washington Hotel) in good shape. Riding the underground Metro line was another challenge I will not forget.

Thanks, Mike, for being our guide while in DC and Virginia Beach. If you are ever in DC, give Mike a call. He makes a great guide. See you all next week.

~~ Linda "oaKie" ~~


NW Mystery Corner...

I am busily working on transcribing the State's Expert Witnesses testimony in the Old Opera House Murder, 9 November 1910, Alva, Oklahoma. I am also still waiting on the rest of the transcript that is being copied as I type up this issue of The Okie Legacy newsletter (eZine).

You remember Edwin DeBarr... Dr. DeBarr resided in Norman, Oklahoma. He held a chair of chemistry at Norman, Oklahoma's University for nineteen years. DeBarr was also a Graduate of Michigan State Agricultural College and Michigan State University. Also study at Chicago University. DeBarr testified that he wasn't a physician, but he was a Pharmacist and Toxicologist. He also testified that he had on occasion to examine a person in Michigan that met death by strangulation about twenty-five years before. He had seen about three or four strangled persons in the state since then. Dr. DeBarr received a stomach (Mabel Oakes' stomach) from Dr. Bilby of Alva, Oklahoma, for the purpose of making an analysis of what was in it and its condition. DeBarr received the stomach by express, shipped by Wells Fargo & Company Express, in a box containing the jar that Miss Oakes stomach was in. DeBarr testified that he found 1/4 of a grain of strychnine and 3/4 of a grain of morphine. He testified that the quantity he found in the stomach was not sufficient to produce death. He also found all the inner coating of the stomach congested -- little spots, which the physicians call ecchymosis -- little ecchymotic spots where the blood had collected. There was also a slight odor of whiskey. You can read more of his testimony Clicking Here. How come Dr. Bilby and the other Doctors didn't send the heart, liver and other parts of Miss Oakes body for analysis? Whatever happened to the fetus that the local newspaper said was removed from Miss Oakes? Perhaps some of these questions will be answered in the State's other expert witnesses.

I did find out who the Oakes family physician was when I read parts of Dr. Elizabeth Grantham's testimony. Dr. Grantham was also the family physician of Mr. Vigg, one of the prosecuting attorneys for the State. During this trial Mr. Vigg's wife was at home expecting a baby any day.

Presbyterian Christmas Choir
Accompanist is Mrs. Dunn

Alva Presbytarian Christmas choir
More Identifications...

Top Row: Tony (Antoinette) Monfort.

Second Row: left side, Mary Beth Brunsterer; right side, ?.

Third Row: ?; ?; ?.

Fourth Row: far left, Sarah (Long) Balenti; ?; ?; ?.

Fifth / Sixth Rows: small blond, Joan Simon; Nancy Roepke; Dean Oshel; Jean Melton; Bruce Dunn (looking down to his left); the middle boy of the three boys above Bruce is the oldest (James) Erskine.

Seventh Row: 1st left, ?; 2nd left, Dorthy McGill; 3rd left, Connie McGill; Monet Monfort; ?; ?.

Bottom Row: 1st left, ?; 2nd left, Fritz Snipple; 3rd left, youngest (John) Erskine; Karen Johnson (deceased); MaryAnne Roepke; Blake Dunn; ?; ?.

Mary Ann Roepke Bachus says... "The blond in the front row with the marvelous hairdo and the little girl between John Erskine and me is Karen Johnson (now deceased). Bruce Dunn had a little brother, Blake, who was my age and I think that must be him next to me. Don't know who the other 2 little girls are."

Can you Help Fill in the "??"


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A Capitol 4th Celebration
July 4th, 2002, Washington, DC

DC fireworks from the Capitol steps looking towards the Washington Monument

Capitol 4th of July 2002 and Virginia Beach Photos can be viewed at
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Linda K McGill Wagner
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PO Box 619, Bayfield, CO 81122

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Mailbag & Links Corner....

POW/Relocation Camps in the US... "I've been trying to get information on German POW Camps in Oklahoma during WW2. I am having poor luck at finding sources for this. I know there was one at Alva and El Reno but am sure there must have been more. My dad helped construct the one at Alva prior to his shipping out to the Navy Construction Battalions (otherwise known as the CB's). I have heard that the one at Alva was reserved for the hard core 'Nazi' prisoners. I have talked to one person in Attica, Kansas, who was allowed to help build the POW camp at Alva but was not allowed to continue working there once the prisoners started coming in. His folks were German and he spoke German so they dismissed him. Mrs. Sanderson, my Dorm Mother at Shockley Hall, was a little girl at the time and she remembers them being taken off the trains and marched out to the camp south of town. Is there some site that would have a list of all the POW/Relocation Camps in the US? I am a third generation 'Okie' and my Grandmother was one of the original homesteaders who settled in the Cherokee Strip. She lived to be a 103 and I was able to get a lot of history from her." -- Contact Dean Gerber

TIME GETS BETTER WITH AGE... How many of these run true for you? Not sure where this originated, but read it through to the end, it gets better as you go!
Age 5 -- I've learned that I like my teacher because she cries when we sings "Silent Night".
Age 7 -- I've learned that our dog doesn't want to eat my broccoli either.
Age 9 -- I've learned that when I wave to people in the country, they stop what they are doing and wave back.
Age 12 --I've learned that just when I get my room the way I like it, Mom makes me clean it up again.
Age 14 --I've learned that if you want to cheer yourself up, you should try cheering someone else up.
Age 15 --I've learned that although it's hard to admit it, I'm secretly glad my parents are strict with me.
Age 24 --I've learned that silent company is often more healing than words of advice.
Age 26 --I've learned that brushing my child's hair is one of life's great pleasures.
Age 29 --I've learned that wherever I go, the world's worst drivers have followed me there.
Age 30 -- I've learned that if someone says something unkind about me, I must live so that no one will believe it.
Age 42 -- I've learned that there are people who love you dearly but just don't know how to show it.
Age 44 --I've learned that you can make some one's day by simply sending them a little note.
Age 46 -- I've learned that the greater a person's sense of guilt, the greater his or her need to cast blame on others.
Age 47 -- I've learned that children and grandparents are natural allies.
Age 48 --I've learned that no matter what happens, or how bad it seems today, life does go on, and it will be better tomorrow.
Age 49 -I've learned that singing "Amazing Grace" can lift my spirits for hours. -
Age 50 -- I've learned that motel mattresses are better on the side away from the phone.
Age 51-- I've learned that you can tell a lot about a man by the way he handles these three things: a rainy day, lost luggage, and tangled Christmas tree lights.
Age 52 -- I've learned that keeping a vegetable garden is worth a medicine cabinet full of pills.
Age 53 -- I've learned that regardless of your relationship with your parents, you miss them terribly after they die.
Age 58 -- I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
Age 61 -- I've learned that if you want to do something positive for your children, work to improve your marriage.
Age 62 -- I 've learned that life sometimes gives you a second chance.
Age 64 -- I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with a catchers mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back.
Age 65 -- I've learned that if you pursue happiness, it will elude you. But if you focus on your family, the needs of others, your work, meeting new people, and doing the very best you can, happiness will find you.
Age 66 -- I've learned that whenever I decide something with kindness, I usually make the right decision.
Age 72 -- I've learned that everyone can use a prayer.
Age 82 -- I've learned that even when I have pains, I don't have to be one.
Age 90 -- I've learned that every day you should reach out and touch someone. People love that human touch- holding hands, a warm hug, or just a friendly pat on the back.
Age 92 -- I've learned that I still have a lot to learn.
Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities (APVA)... "Virginia's long and historic past is captured in the collections of the Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities (APVA). Stretching from the Eastern Shore to the mountains of Blacksburg, the properties owned and operated by the APVA trace Virginia's history from the settlers' landing at Jamestown to the taming of the western reaches of the colony."
Jamestown Rediscovery... "Jamestown Rediscovery is investigating the remains of 1607 Jamestown on the APVA property on Jamestown Island, Vriginia. The site of James Fort was not washed into the river as most people believed for the past 200 years."
History of Jamestown... "In June of 1606, King James I granted a charter to a group of London entrepreneurs, the Virginia Company, to establish a satellite English settlement in the Chesapeake region of North America. By December, 108 settlers sailed from London instructed to settle Virginia, find gold and a water route to the Orient. Some traditional scholars of early Jamestown history believe that those pioneers could not have been more ill-suited for the task....."
Pocahontas... "Indian princess, the daughter of Powhatan, the powerful chief of the Algonquian Indians in the Tidewater region of Virginia. She was born around 1595 to one of Powhatan's many wives. They named her Matoaka, though she is better known as Pocahontas, which means "Little Wanton," playful, frolicsome little girl..... Pocahontas played a significant role in American history. As a compassionate little girl she saw to it that the colonists received food from the Indians, so that Jamestown would not become another "Lost Colony." She is said to have intervened to save the lives of individual colonists. In 1616 John Smith wrote that Pocahontas was "the instrument to pursurve this colonie from death, famine, and utter confusion." And Pocahontas not only served as a representative of the Virginia Indians, but also as a vital link between the native Americans and the Englishmen."
Virtual Jamestown... "Thousands of immigrants contracted themselves for labor to come to the new world, some to the Chesapeake region and others to the West Indies. London and Bristol, England, contributed the largest numbers by far. Bristol alone registered about 10,000 emigrants and this record has been used to create a database giving all the information available on each emigrant. Other databases with smaller numbers have also been created for London and Middlesex. Every indentured servant in public records (ca. 15,000) is recorded in these databases. In addition, a few labor contracts have been made available as they appeared in manuscript to provide an indication of the typical terms of the contract." -- Search the Registers of Servants Sent to Foreign Plantations, 1654 - 1686
One Way Out... "I got my first real-life taste today of what hell follows wildland fires when I headed down off the mountain about 2:00 p.m. Two skid loaders were trying to clear ash black sludge pouring down from the west side and over the road just south of the Shoreline.
      I finally got around them and down to just north of the last big curve before Coolwater Ranch. The road was blocked by an Upper Pine River Fireman's truck. He said the road from there and around the curve was covered with trees and limbs, mud, etc. I had stopped far enough behind the truck ahead of me that I had maneuvering room enough to get turned around and head back home. The traffic that had already stacked up behind where I'd been was a long block in length with more cars coming.
      The fireman told me that a road crew was on the way, but he guessed it would be a wait of at least an hour before they could even begin getting the road cleared. There was a low spot just behind where I was that was already starting to fill with ash, limbs, and mud.
      I'm glad for the rains we've been getting, but there's no way in hell the forest service and state and county workers can get straw and cover down sufficient to help hold the mud and ash slides.
      So, in the meantime, I still haven't restocked my refrigerators and I'm eating out of cans. And, I've got 5 roles of film waiting for me at WalMart. I wish I had had another disposable camera with me this afternoon so I could send you pictures of what ash sludge sliding down a mountain looks like.

Albert says... "If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it." -- Albert Einstein
Alexis de Tocqueville says... "If anyone asks me what I think the chief cause of the extraordinary prosperity and growing power of this nation, I should answer it is due to the superiority of their women." -- Democracy in America, 1835
Just a Thank-you... "For the past couple of years, have been making canes from NM Yucca, and have just finished up a few. I am not saying you are in need of assistance, but would like to send you one. Just a little thank you for your efforts in keeping my mind reasonably current on the past, although I often find the past easier than the present."

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