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23 March 2002, Vol. IV, Iss. 12

Oakie's NW Corner...

Do you remember Chocolate Soldiers and other Nehi soda pops -- walking to the country store -- buying 15-cent hamburgers -- getting a 5-cent Grapette or Orange soda? One of my readers sent me some of her memories from 1945-47 that you can read in the "Mailbag" section.

This week while Spring sprang a leak during the first-half of the week and another short arctic-front brought a few chilly days, nights our way the last half of the week -- I could be found digging through my treasure chest of "Grandma's Old Penny Postcards" & "Family Photos." The Old Postcards can be viewed at Oakie's Webshots in the Old Postcards album, but it is only the beginning of getting them online for viewing. As to the old family photos, let me start here with my Grandmother's first bathing suit at Ocean View, Virginia with "The Gang."

Ocean View, Virginia - fisrt bathing suits.1st Bathing Suit... This photo did not have a date on it, but it did have some handwriting written on the back of it. It reads, "The Gang. Ocean View, Virginia. 1st bathing suit." Does anyone out there know about what year on the east coast they were wearing this sort of bathing suits on the beach? [Click the photo to see larger view.]
      The Lady in the Photo... the young lady on the right is my grandmother, Constance Warwick McGill. I am only assuming here because this was way before my time, BUT... in those days did young girls travel with chaperones and have separate beaches from the boys? If so, perhaps the older lady in the middle is Constance's mother (Signora Warwick) or another relative, friend of the family. Towards the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century my grandmother would have been 17-18 years of age.
     I have been doing a little sleuthing concerning these cover-the-whole-body bathing suits. They say they were very heavy to wear, very expensive and very hot. It looks like they would certainly take a very long time to dry these suits after using them. Women had to cover their body, they couldn't show their body, it was not permitted. It was not accepted. AND... during that time males and females had separate beaches.

      You don't suppose the buildings in the background of Ocean View, Virginia are still standing, do you? I suppose not! I do not know who the others ladies of "The Gang" are in this picture. If you look closely behind the two ladies on the left, there is a big, soaked, black dog of some sort. I have never been to Ocean View, Virginia, but it is on my list of places to check out one of these days.

Will McGill & university baseballEarly Day Baseball Team... What university baseball team is this? This next picture shows six baseplayers seated down front. [Click the photo to see larger view.] My grandfather, Wm. J. "Will" McGill, is the third from the right. Some other players, fans, ladies and gents are standing behind the seated players. It is NOT the "Castle on the Hill" in Alva, Oklahoma. BUT.... it looks like a university of some sort to me. I believe that my grandpa went to Friends University at one time. Could this be Friends? If the building looks familar to anyone out there, please do not be shy -- send me an email with what you believe it is.

Fairvalley (Okla.) building Old Fairvalley building... I need your help again! This building no longer stands out at Fairvalley, Oklahoma. Just like all the other buildings, ghost at Fairvalley -- they are an image only in an old photograph or a memory in some pioneer's mind, writings. Somewhere in the "Footprints Across Woods County" history book a similar picture exists because I remember the the front, peaked area of the the building. I would really like to find out more about this photo. Was it a country store of some kind. [Click on photo to see larger view.]

I was reading some poems in Scott Cummins, "Twilight Reverie" and found this great poem called "Retrospect." It starts out "Backward turn backward, O time in your flight, | Shove the man with the plow and the hoe out of sight; | Let the buffalo grass grow luxuriant again, | Let the buffalo roam undistrubed o'er the plain......" You can read the rest of the poem by clicking on "Retrospect."

I don't know if any of you have cruised over to the information that I found on the "M" (a.k.a. Woods County) Sheriff's from the 1890s to 1975. It is located over in the Woods County section under Woods County Sheriffs.

That is where the next subject matter of Famous Outlaws of Oklahoma Territory come into this little bit of Okie Legacies. According to the article I found in the "First 100 Years of Alva", there were two famous outlaws that had a hideout in a cave on the Cimarron River were Zip Wyatt (a.k.a. Dick Yeager) and Isaac Black (a.k.a. Ike Black) would use for their hideout. It seems "M" (Woods) County warrants were outstanding for their arrests on charges of horse stealing and gun toting. Black was known as a two-bit bandit who was killed around Longdale, Oklahoma supposedly by a sheriff from Kansas. Black's body was hauled to Alva in a lumber wagon and buried in a pauper's, unmarked grave in the city cemetery.

According to Oklahombres.org... "The (Zip Wyatt) Terror Begins -- On June 3rd, 1895, a gang of outlaws raided a store and post office at Fairview. They took everything of value and three horses. Deputy Marshals Gus Hadwinger and J. K. Runnels, riding with Sheriff Clay McGrath and Deputy Marion Hildreth of Woods County, took pursuit after the robbers. The next day, June 4th, they apparently surprised the gang in a cave near the county line." -- Read more about Outlaw Zip Wyatt (a.k.a. Dick Yeager) and our Oklahoma Territory famous outlaws, US Marshalls and sheriffs at Oklahombres.org.

Send me your memories! Dig out those Easter bonnets and photos of the past. What about an Easter Parade next week? Have a great Spring weekend. See you all next weekend for Good Friday, Easter.

~~ Linda "OaKie" ~~

15 June 1909
Dow Lake, McAlester, Okla.

old postcard of Dow Lake, McAlester, OK

Backside of card reads... "Came down here to see about my lot at Pittsburg. On way to Muskogee now. Leave at 2:57 Eve. W"
     The "W" stands for "Will." The way my grandpa signed his postcards now and then.
    The postmark reads... "K.C. & Dension, June 15, 1909, R.P.O." I am assuming that Grandpa sent it from somewhere in south parts of Oklahoma. I also assume that the R.P.O. stands for Rural Post Office! ? Maybe some of you older Oklahoma readers can help me understanding what the "K.C. & Dension" stood for. It was mailed to Constance Warwick in Fairview, Oklahoma. Was there a rural post office called K.C. & Dension in that area? OR... was it in the southern area of the state where Grandpa sent the card from?


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Two Wolves... by Unknown Indian Author
      An old Indian Grandfather said to his grandson who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice: "Let me tell you a story. I too, at times, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times.
      "It is as if there are two wolves inside me. One is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way. He saves all his energy for the right fight.
      "But the other wolf, ahhh! He is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing.
      "Sometimes it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."
      The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?"
      The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one that I feed."


 

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Mailbag & Links....

The Ol' Summertime Vacations... by Ron Farrow -- ".....With the rising of the sun, the rooster would crow, and Grandma would be in the kitchen, making me chocolate gravy and eggs and biscuits. A better breakfast can not be found. Then out the door I would run, to climb up on Grandpa's tractor, sit in the hot metal seat, and pretend I was king of the road. Then, barefoot, I would hop down the old gravel road to the little country store, a half mile from Grandma's house, and buy a chocolate soda pop....." -- Summertime Vacations


Chocolate Pop... "Just in case no one has answered, I think the chocolate pop you are speaking of is 'Chocolate Soldier.'"
Scott Cummins Info... "Both Joan and I were members of the Woods Co. Genealogy Group and went on their bus trip to Salt Lake City, UT in 1982. I believe she told me about the article she had written and somehow I got a copy of the paper. [Joan Hodgden's - 1975 Scott Cummins article.]
      Several of the things she wrote about conflict with what I have found. George I Cummins was born in Washington Co., MD and Mary Ann Clyde Cummins was born in PA according to the census reports I have found. MD was listed in George's newspaper obituary.
      Xenia is in Greene Co., OH. From everything I have found so far, Harrison Co. is almost always listed at the Pilgrim Bard's place of birth. I am not sure where Xenia came from. I know I thought that was it for a long time.
      All the information I have found on George I. as a minister in the Wesleyan Methodist Church does not mention Indians; but that doesn't mean they didn't play a part in Scott's upbringing. I have an article that George had published in the Wesleyan Journal that details one of his trips to members of the church in north central Iowa and he lists who he saw and where he stayed since he was gone for several months, I believe. Also, a researcher in Paola didn't find any info about George I. being an active minister after moving there. She believed he was retired. I think he was ill about that time (possible a stroke) soon after moving there.
      I don't believe George and Mary ever moved to Barber Co., KS. It was probably Scott's wandering that brought him there. After George I. died in 1890 in Paola, Mary Ann moved to the Pilgrim Bard's home and lived with him until she died. George is buried in the cemetery at Paola.
      Joan mentioned "Donald" as a son. I wonder if that is the boy that Scott and Mary Ann reportedly adopted while in Paola when the Orphan Train went through?
      I have been unable so far to find any documentation, newspaper articles, or papers listing Scott as a US Marshall in Woods Co. Do you or any of your readers know of any sources that I could check into?
      Also, the Pilgrim Bard wrote a lengthy story that was published in the "Nescatunga Enterprise" titled: "Conception, Birth and Early Days of Nescatunga" and dated Saturday, May 8, 1886. Does anyone have any information, history, or stories about Nescatunga? It must have been around long enough for them to publish a newspaper.
      I love reading your newsletter and especially when there is something about my husband's ancestors. Thank you!"

German POW Questions... "My name is Matt and I'm doing a report on German POWs. I'd like to ask you a few questions. How were the German POWs treated during World War II? What happened to the POWs after the war? Did any POWs stay in the area after the war? If anyone stayed, how did the local people treat them? I'd appreciate any information you could give me." -- Matt

Nehi Soda - Grape, Orange... "I have not seen any Nehi in years. I used to have a bottle of either grape or orange Nehi for lunch when I attended school in Grant Co, OK It cost 5 cents and a hamburger was 10 cents.This was in 1945-47. A lady ran a tiny store just a few yards from our country High School. She finally had to up the hamburgers to 15 cents. Golly what are they now?"
More 19th to 20th century bathing suits -- This is a great collection of bathing suits from the 1890s to the 20th century. It does take awhile for it to load, though -- even on cable modems & DSL.
2002 is Chinese New Year... The Year of the Black Horse (began on 2/12/2002). Hey! I've got one of those -- A Black Horse!
George Elford Obit... "Hi, it's me again. Turns out I was wrong about George Elford being alive in 1979. Would anybody be able to transcribe his obituary from Alva, from August 28, 1908? Thank you."
Ashley & Short Springs... "I am researching the town of Ashley and Short Springs in late l880's Woods county and when they divided, it became Alfalfa County.
      I have been trying to get pictures and stories to put together. There is some information around but nobody that I have found has put it together in a story form.
      I was born 1/2 mile north and 1/2 mile east of Ashley. My maiden name was Marlatt. I have several articles about Ashley and Short Springs school. The only pictures I have is the Baptist church on the Rudy farm south of Ashley and the elevator in Ashley. I have about l0 pictures of the Short Springs school and the Community church that met in the school.
      According to a family history written by Claude Hadwiger (place next to Short Springs cemetery), who was a cousin, the town of Ashley was l l/2 blocks long with about l5 businesses and houses. This town was named after Frank Ashley. The Short Springs school and cemetery were named after the Short Brothers.
      I would like for you to ask in your Okie Legacy for help in getting information. Then when I get it completed, I will be glad to share it with you.
      I am at presently copying the school records. Since this is for 55 years (l894-l949) this is taking some time.
      I also am collecting family stories of pioneer families in the Ashley area and who went to Short Springs school." -- Ila Wessels


Chocolate Pop... "My husband says the chocolate pop that you used to get is now the pop called Chocolate soldiers and can be bought at United grocery store."

Georgia POW Camps Inquiry... "I am looking for national archive info on POW camps located in Georgia. Any info., tips, web sites, etc. Having hard time. What dept. to look for those old war records? Thanks. Liked your POW site." -- Gary Sullivan
A Brief History of Windmills... "The earliest major competitor for Daniel Halladay's pioneer windmills were the Eclipse windmills invented by 1867 by the Reverend Leonard H. Wheeler. A missionary among the Ojibway Indians of Wisconsin, Wheeler and his son devised a windmill for use at their mission station. Instead of having a wheel comprised of pivoting sections, their wind machine had a "solid" wheel in which the wheel components were rigidly fastened together." -- Windmillers Gazette
Windmill Museums... "Several museums contain important collections of historic windmills and related artifacts. The largest of the windmill museums is the American Wind Power Center in Lubbock, Texas, but just behind it in size comes the Mid-America Windmill Museum in Kendallville, Indiana. The Canadian National Wind Power Center in Etzikom, Alberta, interprets the history of wind power in Canada. Of much interest are the Shattuck Windmill Museum in Shattuck, Oklahoma, the Windmill State Wayside near Gibbon, Nebraska, and the Spearman Windmill Park in Spearman, Texas. In South Africa the Fred Turner Museum in Loeriesfontein contains an important open-air display of water-pumping windmills of the types used in the region."
History of women's swimwear... "The first swimsuits consisted of bloomers and black stockings. By 1855, drawers were added to prevent the problem of exposure. Women still refrained from swimming too much; the prevailing attitude of the day was that only men should swim. Gradual improvements were being made in the cut of the suit itself. By the end of the 19th century, swimming had become an "art," as well as an intercollegiate and Olympic sport. In this environment, it finally became acceptable for women to swim. Now women's bathing suits really had an opportunity to take off. By the 1880's the "Princess" cut was introduced, consisting of a blouse and trousers in one piece. The skirts were traded in for cotton-like pants. There was also a separate skirt that fell below the knee and button at the waist to conceal the figure. A ruffled cap or a straw hat completed the ensemble."


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